. >> michael: karl rove shot back at this, and then we'll hear from you david. >> i thought sarah palin was about encouraging volunteer grassroots activity. i'm a volunteer. second of all look, i appreciate her encouragement that i go home to texas and run for office. i would be enthused to have her sport. i don't think i'm a particularly good candidate. sort of a balding fat guy. second of all i'd say if i did run for office and win i'd serve out my term. i wouldn't leave office midterm. >> michael: oh, a dagger, dave. >> yes that's fun to watch when you're on the outside watching. the thing about it is i timothy rove knows they have to stop denying invitations to sarah palin. all they need to do is bring in a celebrity and thousand how they can have this rigorous intellectual conference. sure have some conversations but have thinkers there as opposed to performers or celebrities. that's where the republican party seems to be stumped in terms of how they conduct these things. >> michael: yes, eleanor in talking about 2016 sort of bringing this full circle, we can say o this is a scary